N.drew I have fought fearlessly in Caesars arena but You are scaring me!
THE GLADIATOR
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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THE GLADIATOR
"Now, of course, I don't expect that you will have read what I posted here, dear Jeff... but that's your error and your loss. Take note, however, that you won't be able to say you didn't know... or didn't hear... or weren't told. You have been. Whether you LISTEN or not... is, like everything above... on YOU. YOUR choice." AGuest.
That rings a bell!
"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?...This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses....Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it," ( Watchtower , Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197).
“I’m still one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, but I have many doubts and questions as to whether or not the Watchtower Organization is really ‘The Truth.’ I’m so confused, and I feel like I just want to walk away, but what keeps me here is the fear that Armageddon will come . I don’t want to be destroyed! I want to be on Jehovah’s side, but I’m so afraid. What if Jehovah’s Witnesses are right about Armageddon, after all? If I leave will I be destroyed by Jehovah FOREVER? I don’t want to die! I just don’t know what to do!”
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Comic relief from Cornwall
by THE GLADIATOR inpost card from cornwall .
two weeks ago i returned from an escape to truro, cornwall the toe of england where i rented an idyllic detached cottage with my other half.
cornwall was bathed in sunshine and god was in his heaven instead of the box i usually keep him in.
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THE GLADIATOR
wobble -You are right St Austel and Tribune ale also Betty Stokes ale.
finallysomepride - You are 1/4 Cornwallian/Kent...3/4 Irish. That would be Cornish from the knees down!
Black Sheep - So You'd love to be able to spend more time there. Sheep are very popular in Cornwall as they have close ties with the welsh
shamus100 - Monkeys have to be kept on a lead like dogs. We can't have you running wild now, can we?
bigmac - Yeah they do have a funny way of speaking though they are technically English we still think ofthem as foreigners.
talesin - Glad your foot is getting better. You'll soon be ready to walk the walk.
cantleave - That 's John Prescott. He got into politics via becoming a trade union leader and became BIG in the labour government!
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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THE GLADIATOR
I think it was me who first raise the matter of ‘acts of God’ when I broke free from my chain and posted on page 16 - “For example let’s just look at the destruction and death caused so called ‘by acts of God.’ Earth quakes, volcanoes, and tsunamis.”
Several people have commented since and given the impression that I see these occurrences as acts of God. I don’t. That is why I prefixed my comment with “so called.” The term acts of God simply means that no human agency is responsible. They are unpreventable natural occurrences.
To believe them to really be acts of God, I would have to believe in an all powerful God. I don’t blame a non-existent God for anything or ask it for anything, nor can I be angry with a non-existent God. Sorry to repeat the same thing but as that’s what everyone else does, I didn’t want to be left out.
By the way, in regard to the question posed by this thread:
"Still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?
1- God is evil.
2- God cannot or will not hear and answer prayers.
3- An omnipotent god simply does not exist."Can someone tell me what the verdict is?
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Comic relief from Cornwall
by THE GLADIATOR inpost card from cornwall .
two weeks ago i returned from an escape to truro, cornwall the toe of england where i rented an idyllic detached cottage with my other half.
cornwall was bathed in sunshine and god was in his heaven instead of the box i usually keep him in.
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THE GLADIATOR
I realize that a thread like this will be short lived as it is not asking a question that can be debated. I just posted it for a bit of light relief.
Finallysomepride - you asked if Cornwall is part of England. Many years ago it was seperate and had its own language. It had strong ties with Wales and they traded accross the Bristol Channel. Some of old people still view the English as foreigners.
Thanks for your comments one and all.
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Comic relief from Cornwall
by THE GLADIATOR inpost card from cornwall .
two weeks ago i returned from an escape to truro, cornwall the toe of england where i rented an idyllic detached cottage with my other half.
cornwall was bathed in sunshine and god was in his heaven instead of the box i usually keep him in.
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THE GLADIATOR
Post Card from Cornwall
Well hello,
Two weeks ago I returned from an escape to Truro , Cornwall the toe of England where I rented an idyllic detached cottage with my other half. Cornwall was bathed in sunshine and god was in his heaven instead of the box I usually keep him in.The downside of going out of season was good weather, the world and his wife were absent, all the children were at school and car parks and restaurants had plenty of room. There was an abundance of classy cafes with up-to-the-minute coffee making contraptions, extensive wine lists and a variety of food in addition to the compulsory Cornish pasty. The natives were friendly and all spoke perfect English, often without an accent.
Looking at the locals, Esther concluded that there must be a lot of pie shops around. As always, she was not wrong. The beauty of Cornwall is that you are never far from a Cornish pasty, which due to the falling pound is used as currency. Lined up in every shop window, in all shapes and sizes, like their misshapen cottages, they are a symbol of Cornish pride. In St Ives we sat in the sun on one of several benches straining under the weight of dedicated Cornish pasty eaters, eating enormous, hot, award winning steak filled Cornish pasties. Compelled to join in, we cast our inhibitions aside and munched our way into Cornish history.
The next day we visits a small harbor called Mousehole which sold real Cornish ice-cream. Esther’s little tongue plunged in and out of large mounds of the ice-cream as she moaned “it’s so good – it’s soo - good.” I felt redundant and took solace in a nasty habit that has comforted me since childhood. Much to Esther’s disgust I collected fresh winkles from rocks in, to be boiled and nibbled later. We covered many miles on foot visiting cove, crevice and crag. Dragged away from breakfast TV each morning, Esther’s daily route march ensured that the excesses of the holiday did not turn us into Cornish pasties.
The history of the Cornish tin miners is moving. They worked 16 hours a day 6 days a week. They were paid in a currency produced by the mine owners that could only be spent in shops owned by them. The owners became hugely wealthy while the miners lived in poverty. I wondered if the term Tin-pot Dictator had any connection with the set-up.
One morning we tuned in to find the British politician John Prescott being interviewed. He bemoaned the evils of the alleged historic North/South divide, apparently unaware that Cornish miners lived in the South. Stomach resting on his knees he protested that you live 3 years longer just for living in the South.
“People in the South think that us northerners have less television,” he declared. The presenters looked confused. He continued. “Ah, um, yeah, no, I don’t mean television. I meant, err, um, that’s it - intelligence.”
By the time I had finished laughing my legs were almost too weak for the ordeal that lay ahead. After a ten mile trek around a hilly and rugged coast line, inexplicably named The Lizard, we staggered back into the cottage at dusk. Fortunately I had secured a good supply of bottled Tangle-foot beer. As I went to open the medicine, I noticed a label on the bottle neck. It said, Deceptively Drinkable.
It’s beer for Gordon’s sake - where is the deception? It should read Outstandingly Drinkable.” I moaned to Esther.
“Why don’t you just drink it and stop analysing everything?” She advised me.
Ah where would I be without the fragrant Esther to keep me on the straight and narrow? She is able to automatically delete any thoughts that are not essential, leaving her mind free to plan each day's activity with absolute precision while arranging our next holiday at the same time. Multi-tasking at its best! It matters not to Esther why the world is the way it is as long as it provides her with sufficient holidays. I guess she has a different kind of “television” to me, which helped to ensure that we had a great time away.
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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THE GLADIATOR
What does it mean when I can feel my brain matter shifting gears? Should I be worried?
No N.drew - you should be pleased - it proves you have a brain!
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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THE GLADIATOR
"This argument is now 7 days older than before..."
That's what happens As Time Goes By.
In all of the gin joints in all the world you have to walk into this thread, which was put on earth to make people suffer so that through their suffering they could draw closer to god. Play it again undercover!
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Does the Issue of Universal Sovereignty make sense to you as an explanation for evil?
by gubberningbody init used to for me, and now it doesn't.. i'm not sure how i was able to accept that argument now that i don't, but perhaps it was connected with my increasing compassion for people and their personal suffering as i've grown older.. now it seems like a sick excuse.
more like a bar-bet with satan and all of creation suffers.. i read paul's words and he has no rejoiner except to say in effect "sucks to be a vessel of wrath...glad i'm not one, but who are you to complain anyway, huh?
who's bigger, smarter and more powerful than you, you, you complaining vessel of wrath, you.
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THE GLADIATOR
When I hurt myself, I always say JESUS CHRIST!!! out loud.
If The pain is bad I may throw in Yeshua, Joshua, Jaheshua just to make sure I cover all bases and the pain goes away.
Miracle or what?
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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THE GLADIATOR
I have read this thread with interest and enjoyed all your comments.
AK-Jeff's opening post is very simple. It poses a question that is of fundamental importance to all humans. Whether we believe God to be the Jehovah or Yahweh of the Bible, Christ Jesus, Jaheshua or a nameless all powerful force the question remains the same. Arguing about the name of God is a red herring. The argument about free will and the right to self determination is also a red herring. This is because humans have much less free will than we are credited with.
For example Let’s just look at the destruction and death caused so called ‘by acts of God.’ Earth quakes, volcanoes, and tsunamis. We now know that they are the result movement or ruptures in the earths crust. They are not the result of man’s greed, atheism or angry gods.
This leaves just 2 possibilities:
A) Is there a being or God powerful enough to stop these natural disasters? The answer for many is No. End of story.
B) If your answer is YES and this being, cosmic intelligence or God that created us and put us on this planet but now just floats around in outer space in retirement, when it could stop these pointless disasters, then it does not deserve the worship of humans.
There really is no alternative conclusion that we can come to without appearing as callous and cold hearted as the absent God. For me plan a works well and makes more sense.